Spies like us

Every era from Get Smart to Homeland has its spy heroes and villains, but what about real life?

Is it always easy to work out who are the bad guys and who are the good guys; and how do we stop all of them from misusing technology that’s developing at a rate faster than most of us can keep track of?

To talk to us about the latest wish list of Australia’s spy organisation, ASIO, Jon Lawrence, from online freedom organisation Electronic Frontiers, spoke to Angus Randall.

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Producer: Sue Reece

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